UCW leadership change

Posted by Holger Schauer in Lisp
Wednesday, April 30. 2008

In case you're interested in continuation-based web development with Common Lisp, it might be of interest to learn that Drew Campsie has voluntered to take over UCW development. Marco Baringer, initiator and maintainer of UncommonWeb (aka UCW) seemed somwhat relieved that finally somebody with more time on his hand steps up to take over.

That Marco hadn't had the time to keep pushing UCW is quite obvious from the mailing list archive. Lately Attila Lendvai seemed to me (an innocent external observer) to had pushed UCW foreward, however, as he Attila announced, he wants to go into a different direction than Drew.

I've been using ucw-dev during the last two years and the current situation really called for a change, in my opinion. UCWs main problem, as I observe it, is lacking documentation and clearly stated goals which way UCW will go. The automatically extracted documentation doesn't contain information how the bits fit together and all tutorials are a) incomplete, b) outdated as far as they are targetting ucw-dev, whereas development has mainly happened in ucw-ajax. However, it was not all clear that ucw-ajax really would become the main line of UCW.

I like UCWs component architecture a lot and will eagerly follow what is going to happen. With two prominent developers such as Marco and Attila more or less leaving the project, it will be interesting to see with how much activity development will happen from now on.

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Ok, well I have a harsh dispute from Drew because of his lisp-on-lines. which I judged as unusable.
Well it is based on UCW for which I wrote at least some tutorial which has worked at least up to 2007 somewhat. I did not received any feedback on it neither be it by email or in the Wiki where I wrot e it. I for my part can just give very sceptical juddgment for UCW. It's complex, hard to understand and it's unclear on how generated code, templated etc are working together. I spend months on getting somewhere with it with not that much success.

And we now do have alternatives which are IMHO
1) easier to understand
2) easier to setup
3) easier to get somewhere with it

As there are
1) AllegoServe + Webactions (very "traditional" and so what you learned elswhere can be applied directly")
2) the Edi-ware based web development stuff (it's also more traditional)

I put that much time into UCW because I thought it was the right thing. I'm not that convinced of that any longer....

Regards
Friedrich

#1 Friedrich (Homepage) on 2008-05-01 07:35 (Reply)

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